Oli Raison, co-founder of Safarini Leadership, designs immersive leadership expeditions in Kenya that combine cultural exchange with Samburu elders, wilderness trekking, and deep reflective coaching.

In this conversation, Oli challenges one of leadership’s most entrenched assumptions: that resilience is about individual grit and mental toughness. Drawing on the Samburu concept of naboisho—interdependence—he shows how real resilience is built through collective support, not solo endurance. 

He also names the single most important question leaders need to ask when entering any new culture or organization: What assumptions am I making? The catch? Most assumptions are invisible to us because they feel like “normal.”

Oli also explores why many wilderness and offsite leadership experiences fail to create lasting change, and shares his solution: a three-phase transformation framework—preparation, immersion, and integration—shaped by the work of past podcast guest, Joe Pine.

This episode is an invitation to question your cultural defaults, rebuild genuine human connection, and develop a healthier relationship with time—so your leadership, and your team’s resilience, can actually endure.

Find episode 498 on The Leadership Podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts!

Watch this Episode on YouTube | Oli Raison on Why Grit Isn’t Enough: Rethinking Resilience in Leadership 

Key Takeaways

[04:12] Oli says the leadership assumption consistently dismantled his resilience—the Samburu are resilient through interdependence called “naboisho,” not grit.

[07:00] Oli identifies profound learning as the importance of having a shared sense of purpose and a very strong shared set of values.

[08:31] Oli responds that people have very different expectations of leadership in different cultures around the world.

[10:11] Oli reveals the Samburu doesn’t have words for anxiety or depression and you’ll certainly never meet somebody who knows somebody who committed suicide. Oli notes loneliness is now as damaging for your health as smoking 15 cigarettes a day.

[12:00] Oli responds I think too much comfort can be a bad thing and people get discombobulated easily if things don’t go quite to plan.

[14:35] Oli answers the critical question leaders should ask: what assumptions am I making? Because we don’t realize we’re making assumptions.

[17:07] Oli explains African societies have a fundamentally different understanding of time where there’s always enough time.

[20:10] Oli explains the Samburu are very spiritual people connected with their ancestors and you’re also connected with your descendants.

[22:30] Oli says mindset adjustment happens organically from just being offline during 10-day expeditions with six days of camel-supported trekking.

[24:53] Oli describes their three-phase structure: preparation, immersion, and integration with coaching sessions at two, four, and six weeks after.

[29:20] Oli responds his long-term impact is about flourishing, particularly helping men dealing with anxiety, depression, and suicidality.

[31:43] Oli states his aspiration: how can we create workplaces, organizations and teams that flourish? Because that’s when people really do their best work.

[33:45] Jan shares his realization about keeping fingers on the keyboard versus closing the laptop because the most important thing is that person in front of you.

[35:56] And remember…“One way to get the most out of life is to look upon it as an adventure.” – William Feather

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Quotable Quotes

"The Samburu, what makes them so resilient is this concept of interdependence, this reliance, this collective reliance on one another…if my cattle get wiped out because of a really challenging drought, I know that my neighbors are… Share on X "Naboisho is a word in their language which kind of roughly translates to coming together or unity. And they often say things like 'we are because they are,' that we are all sort of in this together." Share on X "This is a society that doesn't have words for anxiety or depression. And you'll certainly never meet somebody who knows somebody who committed suicide…loneliness is now as damaging for your health as smoking 15 cigarettes a day." Share on X "In the west, we think of time as a commodity. We think of time as something that can be saved, it can be wasted, it can be lost. And as a result of that, I feel that time is the master of us and we are not the master of time." Share on X "The Samburu always say there's always enough time because they don't think of time as this continuous thing…time occurs when events happen, it's more relational and it's more eventful." Share on X "What assumptions am I making? And this is tricky, right, because a lot of the time we don't realize we're making assumptions." Share on X "We don't need to be experts, but we do need to be detectives…what assumptions am I making that might be getting in my way?" Share on X "All of this technology is actually causing our brains to operate on a frequency that is not conducive with creative thought at all. And by being in nature, just that alone creates an environment for people to have some really… Share on X "I think one of the things that people come away with is I really need to take more time out to just contemplate and to think. You know, think about your business, think about your life. We don't take time to think anymore. We're… Share on X "This obsession with hyper productivity is actually just, again, it's all distraction, you know, it's taking us away from just being with ourselves in the moment or being with somebody else." Share on X "In 1990, the average man had five close friends and now he has one…every minute that we spend on a device, on a phone, on a laptop, thinking that we're connecting is a minute that we're not spending really connecting with… Share on X

Resources Mentioned

• The Leadership Podcast | theleadershippodcast.com
• Sponsored by | www.darley.com
• Rafti Advisors. LLC | www.raftiadvisors.com
• Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | selfreliantleadership.com
• Oli Raison LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/oli-raison-1107aa11/
• Safarini Leadership Website | www.safarinileadership.com
• Safarini Leadership LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/company/safarini-leadership
• Safarini Leadership Instagram | @safarinileadership